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  • #112031

    Feejis
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    This kind of shit enrages me

    New England was enflamed over the thought that Mortensen’s reporting spawned the NFL’s investigation—likely a flawed premise

    Likely a flawed premise Don’t be mad at the guy who reported it wrong, or the guy who repeated the lie when he ‘confirmed’ it with a source – probably the same source that gave him the bogus Ray Rice ‘they saw the tape’ bullshit. No, not their fault at all.

    I don’t think Mort’s report caused the investigation, I think it was a plant by the NFL to justify/rig it in the public eye.

    #112032

    chicowalker
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    Democritus? Voltaire? Bertrand Russell? Hitchens? None of their efforts disprove the God of Classical Theism any better than Fatty’s lucrative career. :lol:

    Everything about him is contradictory.  A writer who uses “weird” as frequently as he does oxygen. He covers a sport that, right or wrong, is the most violent, aggressive, “manliest” of those he might conceivably cover- yet he often tosses up “you go, girl!” platitudes to high school field hockey players.  He’s a proud resident of America’s most sophisticated metropolis, yet he has all the aw-shucks trappings of a rube that 3 card Monte charlatans would take pity on.  He should be teaching cub scouts how to knit in Keokuk, Iowa.

    #112033

    Lebron
    Participant

    Didn’t Mortensen say that the Krafts called to apologize to him, and the Krafts said what the hell are you talking about we never called you?  God he’s such a fucking dickface

    The whole narrative that somebody from the league deliberately leaked false information to me is so much baloney,” Mortensen said. “It actually is insulting, because I made the inquiry: ‘How many footballs are we talking about? Three or four?’ ‘No, 11 of 12 – two PSI under.’

    Listen, I didn’t even know what the regulations for PSI at the time were. But I pick up the phone and I had very little dialogue with that person, so then I call somebody else – another source – and [he] says, ‘It is a mess; 11 of 12 footballs.’ The focus was on the 11 footballs. But this person also said, ‘Significanly under inflated.” And so where I get in trouble, is I tweet, ‘[The balls were] two pounds under.’ We clarified and simply went to ‘significantly under inflated’ after it became clear there was conflicting data. By the way, it was 11 of 12 footballs. The Princeton professor who was hired to disprove the Ted Wells report agreed on which gage was used. So even then we’re talking about five balls in the 10-range, another five that were in the low 11 range, and not only that, we also know the league itself didn’t even get it right when they sent the notification letter to the Patriots saying one ball was as as low as 10.1 PSI.

    It’s insulting!  I’m insulted!  Fuck you.  You and that fat fucking fraud deserve each other.

    #112034

    Kingasaurus
    Participant

    New England was enflamed over the thought that Mortensen’s reporting spawned the NFL’s investigation—likely a flawed premise

    Good Lord. :lol:

    Mortensen’s reporting didn’t “spawn” any “investigation”. The investigation began the night before when the balls were confiscated and examined.

    Nobody thought any such thing – in New England or anywhere else. It’s revisionist bullshit to suggest it. Mortensen’s reporting was instead part of the propaganda campaign to influence and then cement public opinion. His false info was a deliberate strategy of the people in charge of an already-existing corrupt investigation.

    The stupidity is so off-the-charts I can’t even see it…

    #112036

    Kingasaurus
    Participant

    The shitstain is basically admitting that his source couldn’t have deliberately leaked him false info, because it was clearly incompetence instead. Does he really want to go there? He’s basically admitting that his sourcing is worthless (for whatever reason) and therefore anything he reports is probably bullshit.

    #112037

    chicowalker
    Participant

    wasn’t that tweet up forever too, because he didn’t know how to delete it or whatever? :lol:

    #112038

    Lebron
    Participant

    This kind of shit enrages me

    New England was enflamed over the thought that Mortensen’s reporting spawned the NFL’s investigation—likely a flawed premise

    Likely a flawed premise Don’t be mad at the guy who reported it wrong, or the guy who repeated the lie when he ‘confirmed’ it with a source – probably the same source that gave him the bogus Ray Rice ‘they saw the tape’ bullshit. No, not their fault at all.

    I don’t think Mort’s report caused the investigation, I think it was a plant by the NFL to justify/rig it in the public eye.

    Right,  you guys are in big fucking trouble had already happened, then they spread it through him.   It’s more the hey we didn’t do anything we just report and standing by their story under the right at the time that’s what my source told me and he/she has never been wrong about anything.

    #112039

    Kingasaurus
    Participant

    wasn’t that tweet up forever too, because he didn’t know how to delete it or whatever? 😆

    Claims he didn’t know, the lying pig.

    The guy basically just admitted his source had wrong info, and he still pulled the holier-than-thou “I stand by my reporting” horseshit which grinds my gears. Unethical scum, the lot of them.

    #112041

    Brian
    Participant

    Nothing wrong with keeping some emergency boxers in your work bag. I’ve never had to use mine, but I love having the peace of mind knowing that they’re there.

    The other night on The Walking Dead, Negan tells Father G, ” I hope you have your shitting pants on.” :lol:   :lol:

    #112042

    Coma
    Participant

    Didn’t Mortensen say that the Krafts called to apologize to him, and the Krafts said what the hell are you talking about we never called you? God he’s such a fucking dickface

    The whole narrative that somebody from the league deliberately leaked false information to me is so much baloney,” Mortensen said. “It actually is insulting, because I made the inquiry: ‘How many footballs are we talking about? Three or four?’ ‘No, 11 of 12 – two PSI under.’ Listen, I didn’t even know what the regulations for PSI at the time were. But I pick up the phone and I had very little dialogue with that person, so then I call somebody else – another source – and [he] says, ‘It is a mess; 11 of 12 footballs.’ The focus was on the 11 footballs. But this person also said, ‘Significanly under inflated.” And so where I get in trouble, is I tweet, ‘[The balls were] two pounds under.’ We clarified and simply went to ‘significantly under inflated’ after it became clear there was conflicting data. By the way, it was 11 of 12 footballs. The Princeton professor who was hired to disprove the Ted Wells report agreed on which gage was used. So even then we’re talking about five balls in the 10-range, another five that were in the low 11 range, and not only that, we also know the league itself didn’t even get it right when they sent the notification letter to the Patriots saying one ball was as as low as 10.1 PSI.

    It’s insulting! I’m insulted! Fuck you. You and that fat fucking fraud deserve each other.

    Except the league did deliberately leak false information to you, Mort. They also sent false information to the Patriots. To Mortensen and King, though, these things happen, mere coincidence and certainly no malice behind it.

    King (the good King, not the Peter kind) has it right. If it wasn’t done on purpose, then it was a series of incompetent acts. If that’s the case, how can you rely on any of the NFL’s evidence? These people couldn’t correctly write down or communicate a series of 11 three digit numbers to each other, to the media or to the Patriots. Yet we’re supposed to believe that they then accurately re-constructed a ball deflation scheme that went unnoticed for 8 years? These media folks have created this bubble for themselves where nothing is their fault and they’re never wrong.

    It really defies belief that there was any confusion over the PSI measurements. Mortensen’s tweet came out on a Tuesday evening. The NFL had all day Monday and Tuesday to get their information together, make sure they had it right and that everyone was on the same page. If Mortensen’s tweet had been sent out the night of the game, I could see there being a “mess.” Two days later? No way. These guys were measuring the air pressure in 15 footballs (Patriots and Colts) twice. They weren’t reconstructing a multi-car crash that was related to a high-stakes jewel heist that took place during a three alarm fire. If, after two days, the NFL headquarters people couldn’t relate correct information to the media from a piece of paper, then they aren’t qualified to investigate if a player’s socks are too high or too low. On the other hand, they could have leaked out the wrong information intentionally.

    One other check mark in the deliberately leaked false information checklist: None of the information coming from the league favored the Patriots. If there really was confusion or people had bad information, then how come the letter sent to the Patriots didn’t say there was only one football out of compliance or anything like that?

    #112043

    Feejis
    Participant

    Nothing wrong with keeping some emergency boxers in your work bag. I’ve never had to use mine, but I love having the peace of mind knowing that they’re there.

    I keep spare everything in my truck including socks, having forgotten some to hockey one too many times over the summer.

    #112046

    Lefty
    Moderator

    Well, the brother of the Vegas shooter just got arrested for kiddie porn, which seems to validate everyone who thought this guy was really weird with the big grin happily talking about his psycho brother.

    #112047

    Further in the podcast, Mort says that after watching Belichick’s Thursday press conference, he tweeted he found Belichick very credible in the PC. Mort then got a call “from a prominent coach in this league”, who said,  “Have you looked at their fumble ratio? Go back to 2007 and their fumble ratio.”

    As far as I can tell, Warren Sharp’s bullshit fumble analysis came out the same day as the BB presser: January 22, 2015.

    Maybe Sharp caught the perfect wave, getting a viral article so soon on the heels of the scandal. But a coach having that info the same day seems a bit too coincidental.

    And ventures toward the identity of this “prominent” coach?

    #112048

    Big Fat O
    Participant

    Mott, King and the rest of the lemmings are afraid of pissing of Goodell so they take everything he spews as fact. No questions asked.

    Mort and King know they were used but let quiet. King did a mini mea culpa but didn’t go after the league for the bad info.

    The saddest part is all of these NFL reporters didn’t expose the league for the sham they perpetrated. Access is more important than the truth.

    #112049

    Kingasaurus
    Participant

    Further in the podcast, Mort says that after watching Belichick’s Thursday press conference, he tweeted he found Belichick very credible in the PC. Mort then got a call “from a prominent coach in this league”, who said, “Have you looked at their fumble ratio? Go back to 2007 and their fumble ratio.” As far as I can tell, Warren Sharp’s bullshit fumble analysis came out the same day as the BB presser: January 22, 2015. Maybe Sharp caught the perfect wave, getting a viral article so soon on the heels of the scandal. But a coach having that info the same day seems a bit too coincidental. And ventures toward the identity of this “prominent” coach?

    Harbaugh is always a prominent possibility. But there’s more than one jealous, not-so-smart guy who would want to anonymously twist the knife.

    #112050

    Fred West Lynn
    Participant

    Why does Shank think anyone in Boston gives two-Shits that Adrian Gonzalez is in Europe instead of at the World Series. Sure it’s an odd decision but it’s not like he was able to play.

    Why does John Henry, Mike Sheehan, and Joe Sullivan think anyone anywhere gives two shits that they’ve anointed Dan Shaughnessy as the Face of Globe Sports?

    #112051

    Coma
    Participant

    Further in the podcast, Mort says that after watching Belichick’s Thursday press conference, he tweeted he found Belichick very credible in the PC. Mort then got a call “from a prominent coach in this league”, who said, “Have you looked at their fumble ratio? Go back to 2007 and their fumble ratio.” As far as I can tell, Warren Sharp’s bullshit fumble analysis came out the same day as the BB presser: January 22, 2015. Maybe Sharp caught the perfect wave, getting a viral article so soon on the heels of the scandal. But a coach having that info the same day seems a bit too coincidental. And ventures toward the identity of this “prominent” coach?

    I’ve wondered about the timing of Sharp’s flawed analysis. I do get a kick out of the fact that he refuses to admit he was wrong about any of it. In the deflategate thread, I think you linked to an article where he claimed that the Patriots having the fewest fumbles and best fumble rate in 2015 was due to it being an unusually warm year, which was also debunked.

    Anyway, one of my pet peeves is people pointing to 2007 like it was the first year the change in football preparation went into effect. This article (link) from the league’s preeminent football writer establishes that the new guidelines went into effect with the 2006 season. In 2005, the Patriots fumbles 19 times and lost 9. In 2006, they fumbled 27 times and lost 15. (In 2007, these numbers dropped to 14 and 6.) Like their performance from 2014 to 2015, this is the opposite of what you expect to see if deflating footballs below 12.5 PSI was supposed to provide an advantage. For whatever reason, people ignore these facts.

    As for the coach who reached out to Mortensen, “prominent” is a subjective term, but it’s a short list: Tomlin, McCarthy, Coughlin, Harbaugh, Payton and Reid. I guess you could throw Rivera in there also, but I’m not including Marvin Lewis.

    #112052

    Feejis
    Participant

    Howe reports Hightower out for this week and possibly longer.

    I just realized today that Akeem Ayers is a free agent. Has bounced around since the Seattle soupey but he’s familiar with what they’re doing. Then again they’ve traded for other edge/LB guys so they must not see what they want in him any longer.

    #112053

    BrianInLA
    Participant

    Scully is a god and I will do battle with anyone who says otherwise.  A simpler time Danny when they didn’t have to talk nonstop.

    #112054

    Feejis
    Participant

    I won’t minus one that post but it’s worthy of a Fontaining.

    #112057

    Fred West Lynn
    Participant

    Anyone listen to the Mort/Fatty podcast? It’s kind of infuriating as far as the deflategate stuff is concerned. They really don’t seem to get the impact of the leagues fuckery and neither one even entertains the possibility that nothing happened.

    Of course they won’t consider that possibility. To do that would be to acknowledge that they were used to get a false story out there, one that immediately incriminated the Patriots. Once they realized their role in the smear job, they opted to do nothing instead of blowing the whistle on the league office. Why would they want to admit that they’re spineless pawns, more concerned about their access and carrying water for the NFL than anything else?

    Missed the broadcast on EEI. I presume Dale brought the same degree of anguished, offensive screaming to Fatty and Mort that he does to the all-enveloping poison that is David Price.    :dry:

    #112058

    Miserable Fellow
    Participant

    Nets beat Cavs. :lol:

    #112059

    Fred West Lynn
    Participant

    Is that Larry King sitting in the first row behind right hand batters? Does HE have a new show on FOX, too?

    #112060

    InThisTown
    Participant

    Scully is a god and I will do battle with anyone who says otherwise. A simpler time Danny when they didn’t have to talk nonstop.

    I agree in the most non-baseball fagola way possible.

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