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  • #133259

    Yahtzee
    Participant

    Quiet week for B’s and C’s.

    Listened to a classic Callahan interview this morning where he yells at the guest and drives them off the air.

    Apparently Kim & VB are gone in favor of the unlistenable Jeff Kuhner.

    #133260

    jforb
    Participant

    You know what’s fun about one day sales? Getting next to nothing the following day.

    #133261

    GreatWhiteDhale
    Participant

    Toucher & Rich had Mike Gorman on today and Rich kept asking him about trading Kyrie for Davis at the end of the season. How would that work? A sign-and-trade? Doesn’t the player agree to do that?

    Come back, Regular Brian.

    My agenda is truth.

    #133262

    chicowalker
    Participant

    Dale re: your question yesterday about the Sports book- my buddy is an accountant for TR and said it was nuts opening day, but I’ve yet to get any further details.  I’m hoping to sneak over there saturday

    #133263

    Brian
    Participant

    Reply |

     

    I got a great deal with Hulu the other day. .99 cents a month for a full year.

    #133266

    Suzy
    Participant

    Quiet week for B’s and C’s.

    Listened to a classic Callahan interview this morning where he yells at the guest and drives them off the air.

    Apparently Kim & VB are gone in favor of the unlistenable Jeff Kuhner.

    It’s painful listening to Callahole try to feign interest in sports. He’ll be gone in no time.

    And agree about Kuhner–there’s something wrong with that guy. Kim is gone but I thought they found a spot for VB somewhere?

    #133267

    02062
    Participant

    Quiet week for B’s and C’s.

    Listened to a classic Callahan interview this morning where he yells at the guest and drives them off the air.

    Apparently Kim & VB are gone in favor of the unlistenable Jeff Kuhner.

    It’s painful listening to Callahole try to feign interest in sports. He’ll be gone in no time.

    And agree about Kuhner–there’s something wrong with that guy. Kim is gone but I thought they found a spot for VB somewhere?

    What happens to Captain Obvious after he fails in this time slot?

    A rotating guest list of Riemer, Tomase, Dreilich and Dickerson seems like it can’t miss.

    #133269

    Yahtzee
    Participant

    Quiet week for B’s and C’s.

    Listened to a classic Callahan interview this morning where he yells at the guest and drives them off the air.

    Apparently Kim & VB are gone in favor of the unlistenable Jeff Kuhner.

    It’s painful listening to Callahole try to feign interest in sports. He’ll be gone in no time.

    And agree about Kuhner–there’s something wrong with that guy. Kim is gone but I thought they found a spot for VB somewhere?

    12-3

    #133270

    Lebron
    Participant

    Quiet week for B’s and C’s.

    Listened to a classic Callahan interview this morning where he yells at the guest and drives them off the air.

    Apparently Kim & VB are gone in favor of the unlistenable Jeff Kuhner.

    It’s painful listening to Callahole try to feign interest in sports. He’ll be gone in no time.

    And agree about Kuhner–there’s something wrong with that guy. Kim is gone but I thought they found a spot for VB somewhere?

    What happens to Captain Obvious after he fails in this time slot?

    A rotating guest list of Riemer, Tomase, Dreilich and Dickerson seems like it can’t miss.

    It’s working wonders for ESPN with Get Up! :lol:   I see they are trying to rotate old friend Josh Rutledge’s wife Lauren and Maria Taylor, guess it keeps the unemployed creeps tuned in.

    #133271

    Laszlo Panaflex
    Participant

    A rotating guest list of Riemer, Tomase, Dreilich and Dickerson seems like it can’t miss.

    Hells waiting room.

    #133273

    thatsnotwhatisaid
    Participant

    I don’t know who Kim or VB are and that makes me happy and proud.

    #133274

    I’m trying to think of an effective statistical deterrent to the tomato cans argument. There probably isn’t one, since people will believe what they want to believe, and they’ve shrugged off all previous metrics showing that the AFCE is no worse a division than any others.

    The latest is a Damon Amendolara tweet listing the AFCE quarterbacks the Patriots have faced in the Belichick era.

    I did a quick records study of the Pats since 2002 (when the league went to four-team divisions) vs. the Colts over the same span. The Pats won 78% of their division games and 77% non-division. Indy, meanwhile, went 72% in the AFCS, and 59% outside the division. Two years in a row, the Colts went 11-5, but 6-0 in division. Their only wins in the 2-14 season were divisional. The only outlier was the year they won it all, going 3-3 in the division and 9-1 otherwise.

    But a statistical study here suffers from the same issues as any study trying to identify patterns in the NFL: the league is too tumultuous from year to year to be able to label anything as “historical”. The Patriots’ excellence has been the only constant, so by nature, the AFCE will appear weaker.

    In other divisions, a team would be strong for a while, then goes 8-8 or worse a couple seasons before rising again. The NFC South and NGC West have each had all four teams reach a Super Bowl since 2001, for example. So the norm is the expectation of parity; your team gets its shot for a couple years, then another team rises. Until the Pats lose the division, no metric will change the perception the AFC East is a cakewalk.

    #133275

    jforb
    Participant

    A rotating guest list of Riemer, Tomase, Dreilich and Dickerson seems like it can’t miss.

    Hells waiting room.

    Only wish that was true soon.

    #133276

    Lebron
    Participant

    The whole argument is beyond dumb.  You used to play what, half your schedule or pre ’78 more than half your schedule against division opponents, you had to have a good record against them in order to get to the playoffs and win a Super Bowl.  Since ’02 it’s 6 games, are you supposed to go 0-6 in the division to prove how tough you are?  What the fuck?  Patriots won the Super Bowl in a season when they lost to the at the time 1 or 2 win Miami Dolphins late in the year, does that make them the best team they ever had because of that?

    #133277

    Kevin
    Participant

    Any details here, Ironhead? 😆

    #133278

    Feejis
    Participant

    I’m trying to think of an effective statistical deterrent to the tomato cans argument. There probably isn’t one, since people will believe what they want to believe, and they’ve shrugged off all previous metrics showing that the AFCE is no worse a division than any others.

    The latest is a Damon Amendolara tweet listing the AFCE quarterbacks the Patriots have faced in the Belichick era.

    I did a quick records study of the Pats since 2002 (when the league went to four-team divisions) vs. the Colts over the same span. The Pats won 78% of their division games and 77% non-division. Indy, meanwhile, went 72% in the AFCS, and 59% outside the division. Two years in a row, the Colts went 11-5, but 6-0 in division. Their only wins in the 2-14 season were divisional. The only outlier was the year they won it all, going 3-3 in the division and 9-1 otherwise.

    But a statistical study here suffers from the same issues as any study trying to identify patterns in the NFL: the league is too tumultuous from year to year to be able to label anything as “historical”. The Patriots’ excellence has been the only constant, so by nature, the AFCE will appear weaker.

    In other divisions, a team would be strong for a while, then goes 8-8 or worse a couple seasons before rising again. The NFC South and NGC West have each had all four teams reach a Super Bowl since 2001, for example. So the norm is the expectation of parity; your team gets its shot for a couple years, then another team rises. Until the Pats lose the division, no metric will change the perception the AFC East is a cakewalk.

    It doesn’t matter what you present as nobody would change their opinion.

    That said, I think something showing the records of the other AFCE teams 1) against the entire NFL except the Pats and 2) against each other over that span would help if combined with the same analysis of every other division.

    Given the transitory nature as you note, just picking the team to treat like the Pats in each division can be a challenge, but if you go by the team with the best record in that span, that’s probably safe. So for example, PIT and BAL have had good runs but which has more wins since 2001? If it’s PIT, what’s BAL, CIN and CLE records against the rest of the league and each other in that span? Lather, rinse, repeat.

    I’m sure I’ve made this more complicated than it probably needs to be.

    Edit – more simply – removing the highest individual team win total from the equation for each division, which division has the most wins since 2001.

    • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 3 days ago by  Feejis.
    #133281

    jforb
    Participant

    Wins out of the division since 2001

    Rk	Tm	W	L	T	W-L%
    1	NWE	133	43	0	0.756
    2	PIT	108	63	1	0.631
    3	IND	102	74	0	0.58
    4	GNB	101	74	0	0.577
    5	PHI	101	74	1	0.577
    6	DEN	100	75	0	0.571
    7	NOR	99	77	0	0.563
    8	LAC	97	78	0	0.554
    9	BAL	97	75	0	0.564
    10	SEA	96	80	0	0.545
    11	ATL	96	78	1	0.551
    12	DAL	92	83	0	0.526
    13	CAR	91	85	1	0.517
    14	CHI	89	86	0	0.509
    15	NYG	87	88	0	0.497
    16	KAN	87	89	0	0.494
    17	MIN	87	88	0	0.497
    18	MIA	86	90	0	0.489
    19	CIN	85	85	3	0.5
    20	TEN	85	88	0	0.491
    21	NYJ	84	91	0	0.48
    22	WAS	80	95	1	0.457
    23	ARI	78	97	0	0.446
    24	BUF	78	99	0	0.441
    25	TAM	76	100	0	0.432
    26	LAR	74	101	0	0.423
    27	HOU	74	93	0	0.443
    28	SFO	73	103	0	0.415
    29	JAX	69	105	0	0.397
    30	OAK	65	111	0	0.369
    31	DET	64	111	0	0.366
    32	CLE	59	114	0	0.341
    

    ed: taking the top from each division out (which still includes their losses)
    NS 263
    NE 259
    AW 249
    AE 248
    AN 241
    NN 240
    AS 228
    NW 225

    • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 3 days ago by  jforb.
    #133282

    Feejis
    Participant

    Well that’s easy then.

    Looks like coach Craig has just under 100 new subscribers on his cyber Monday deal. That should pay for Mcadam’s hotel!

    #133284

    jforb
    Participant

    Did AAC put all up the startup funds himself or did the initial staff put in some too?

    #133286

    Feejis
    Participant

    Wins out of the division since 2001

    Rk Tm W L T W-L%
    1 NWE 133 43 0 0.756
    2 PIT 108 63 1 0.631
    3 IND 102 74 0 0.58
    4 GNB 101 74 0 0.577
    5 PHI 101 74 1 0.577
    6 DEN 100 75 0 0.571
    7 NOR 99 77 0 0.563
    8 LAC 97 78 0 0.554
    9 BAL 97 75 0 0.564
    10 SEA 96 80 0 0.545
    11 ATL 96 78 1 0.551
    12 DAL 92 83 0 0.526
    13 CAR 91 85 1 0.517
    14 CHI 89 86 0 0.509
    15 NYG 87 88 0 0.497
    16 KAN 87 89 0 0.494
    17 MIN 87 88 0 0.497
    18 MIA 86 90 0 0.489
    19 CIN 85 85 3 0.5
    20 TEN 85 88 0 0.491
    21 NYJ 84 91 0 0.48
    22 WAS 80 95 1 0.457
    23 ARI 78 97 0 0.446
    24 BUF 78 99 0 0.441
    25 TAM 76 100 0 0.432
    26 LAR 74 101 0 0.423
    27 HOU 74 93 0 0.443
    28 SFO 73 103 0 0.415
    29 JAX 69 105 0 0.397
    30 OAK 65 111 0 0.369
    31 DET 64 111 0 0.366
    32 CLE 59 114 0 0.341
    ed: taking the top from each division out (which still includes their losses)

    NS 263

    NE 259

    AW 249

    AE 248

    AN 241

    NN 240

    AS 228

    NW 225

    Adding to this I think is the relatively top heavy AFC in that time. 17 Super Bowls and only 6 AFC representatives. NE, PIT,  BAL, DEN, OAK and IND.

    By contrast, every NFC south team has made one SB, 3 of the 4 teams in the NFC west, 2 winning franchises from the NFC east (4 appearances combined) along with GB several times and CHI also.

    There “seem” to better divisions due to the parity. So in that sense, yeah none of the other AFCE teams has gotten their shit together. But they still do well against the rest of the league so what’s that say?

    #133287

    02062
    Participant

    Suzy, How did I miss the Genius Joe Tampa Bay Rays letterman jackets?  I apologize to you 1,000 times.

    On the trip from Texas to Boston, players wore matching letterman jackets featuring a blue base, white sleeves, and a yellow sunburst logo. Perhaps Maddon took some style inspiration from the NFL’s Houston Texans, as the team wore custom-made letterman jackets when traveling to meet the New England Patriots for a game last season.

    In speaking about the Rays varsity jackets, Maddon described them as: “Really high-quality, well-made, simple, and I like simple. Majestic did an outstanding job with it, I’m real excited about it. I think they’re going to be received well.” 

    #133288

    Lebron
    Participant

    Joe likes simple except when it comes to wine and baseball games.

    #133289

    Ironhead
    Participant

    Regarding BSJ:  Several months back, a sports media member and another person in media DMd me that Bedard was (a) paying less than previously agreed or (b) stiffing the lower profile people entirely.  They thought I could embarrass Bedard as payback.  I contacted a couple of people I am friendly with and said they’d heard the same thing, but not from the people involved.   I then heard from one of the people involved, who confirmed it.   I tweeted it gleefully.   The first instance was rock solid info.

     

    The info for this one isn’t as solid.

     

    I sat on it for 2 days and did a bit of soul searching about what the hell kind of person has this vendetta the way I do toward AAC.   I’m busy at work and decided to let it marinate before I made up my mind.    Then I saw Bedard lashing out and blaming everyone else for LoyKKKo:

     

    https://twitter.com/GregABedard/status/1066527145206386688

    And a H/T to Kevin for pushing me over the edge:

    https://twitter.com/kfpeters/status/1066815394978119680

     

    And I came to the following conclusion after much thought:  

     

     

     

    #133290

    chicowalker
    Participant

    Apropos of nothing, I was curious about this so I did some math- the time between Babe Ruth playing his last game for the Red Sox and the Jets winning the Super Bowl is shorter than the latter, and now :lol:

    #133291

    Humphrey
    Participant

    Apropos of nothing, I was curious about this so I did some math- the time between Babe Ruth playing his last game for the Red Sox and the Jets winning the Super Bowl is shorter than the latter, and now 😆

    Think of what similar comparisons you can do with the Knicks’ 70 and 73 titles given that the NBA didn’t start until 1946! Another NY franchise living off its laurels from a couple generations ago.

    • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 3 days ago by  Humphrey.
    #133293

    Thanks for the numbers, Jforb. Two questions:

    • “Since 2001” – does that mean including 2001 or post-2001?
    • Does it include games from 2018 so far? Or only through last year?
    #133296

    02062
    Participant

    Apropos of nothing, I was curious about this so I did some math- the time between Babe Ruth playing his last game for the Red Sox and the Jets winning the Super Bowl is shorter than the latter, and now 😆

    Think of what similar comparisons you can do with the Knicks’ 70 and 73 titles given that the NBA didn’t start until 1946! Another NY franchise living off its laurels from a couple generations ago.

    18,217 Days title free for the Jets

    16,638 for the Knickerbockers

     

    #133297

    jforb
    Participant

    Inclusive of both, link to the pfref query
    Should redo that to only include the 4 team divisions and the full Texans run.

    #133298

    Humphrey
    Participant

    2002 is a better indicator as that was the year that they went to 32 teams. I don’t think anyone has switched conferences since then for sure (Seattle moved to the NFC that year). Probably not even divisions have been switched, the Rams never left the West, did they?

    #133299

    Feejis
    Participant

    Regarding BSJ: Several months back, a sports media member and another person in media DMd me that Bedard was (a) paying less than previously agreed or (b) stiffing the lower profile people entirely. They thought I could embarrass Bedard as payback. I contacted a couple of people I am friendly with and said they’d heard the same thing, but not from the people involved. I then heard from one of the people involved, who confirmed it. I tweeted it gleefully. The first instance was rock solid info.

    The info for this one isn’t as solid.

    I sat on it for 2 days and did a bit of soul searching about what the hell kind of person has this vendetta the way I do toward AAC. I’m busy at work and decided to let it marinate before I made up my mind. Then I saw Bedard lashing out and blaming everyone else for LoyKKKo:

    https://twitter.com/GregABedard/status/1066527145206386688

    And a H/T to Kevin for pushing me over the edge:

    https://twitter.com/kfpeters/status/1066815394978119680

    And I came to the following conclusion after much thought:

    It’s not funny. It’s not fun.

    Yes it is.

    #133300

    jforb
    Participant

    2002-2017 minus the wins of the top team in each
    NE 241
    NS 241
    AE 226
    AW 225
    AN 223
    NN 218
    AS 212
    NW 199

    #133301

    Coma
    Participant

    Almost-A-Coach, from the tweet Ironhead linked to: “Sorry if I don’t take that at face value when it comes to someone’s name and reputation.”

    This is the same guy who declared the deflategate scientific analysis a “toss-up” and deemed the Jastremski and McNally texts to be concrete evidence. It’s easy to take things at “face value” and trash “someone’s name and reputation” when you’re not involved except for passing judgement. When Coach Craig has to answer questions, it’s “Whoa, whoa, wait a minute here. You can’t just make assumptions and jump to the conclusion you want.”

    #133302

    Ironhead
    Participant

    Coma, do you have a Twitter account?  I want to use that and give you credit.

    #133303

    Coma
    Participant

    Going back to the Amendolara list of the other AFCE QBs during Brady’s tenure, who were the divisional QB’s opposing Favre when he was in Green Bay? Or the NFC West QBs that Montana went up against? Or Manning in the AFCS? Who was noteworthy there beyond Steve McNair. They had to all be hall of famers or at least multiple time pro bowlers, right? That never gets brought up when talking about how great Favre, Montana and Manning are.

    The standard for Brady that these people have created is ridiculous. There needs to be at least one other all time great QB in his division at all times, all teams the Patriots play must be completely healthy, he needs to play and beat all the other top teams in the regular season, with the majority of those games being on the road, and he needs to repeat those victories in the playoffs. For example, the Patriots need to win at KC, SD, Pittsburgh and Houston, with Brady outperforming all opposing QBs, in order to earn their way to the Super Bowl, where they will face a combined Rams/Saints team coached by McVay, Payton, Parcells, Coughlin and the ghost of Vince Lombardi. If the Patriots can’t do that, then they got lucky to face some tomato cans at home.

    #133304

    Coma
    Participant

    Coma, do you have a Twitter account? I want to use that and give you credit.

    No, no twitter account for me. I’m just a bystander. Feel free to use it, though.

    #133305

    02062
    Participant

    Also making its world premiere in the premieres section is the comedy Late Night​​, featuring Emma Thompson as a legendary talk show host whose world is turned upside down when she hires a female staff writer (Mindy Kaling).

    Hope Boston.Com is aware.

    #133306

    jforb
    Participant

    More good job good effort Globe

    #133307

    GreatWhiteDhale
    Participant

    More proof of the Herald’s irrelevancy. Just found out it has a new sports columnist. Not a peep here on the radio. No idea. Good thing is the new guy has to be better than either Borges or Buckley.

    Come back, Regular Brian.

    My agenda is truth.

    #133308

    Humphrey
    Participant

    More good job good effort Globe

    Rocco Baldelli’s debut at Frosty Fenway?

    #133309

    Fred West Lynn
    Participant

    Well that’s easy then.

    Looks like coach Craig has just under 100 new subscribers on his cyber Monday deal. That should pay for Mcadam’s hotel!

    I wonder if Coach would angle to sell the BSJ to Gentle Ben?

    THAT would be epic.

    #133310

    Big Fat O
    Participant

    Now we know why Coach Betard likes Loyko. He works cheap. Knowing the Coach he doesn’t even pay him. Probably told Loyko he’ll make him famous  :lol:

    #133311

    Miserable Fellow
    Participant

    Now we know why Coach Betard likes Loyko. He works cheap. Knowing the Coach he doesn’t even pay him. Probably told Loyko he’ll make him famous 😆

    A real free-lancer? Paid in “exposure”?

    #133312

    Fred West Lynn
    Participant

    More proof of the Herald’s irrelevancy. Just found out it has a new sports columnist. Not a peep here on the radio. No idea. Good thing is the new guy has to be better than either Borges or Buckley.

    Columnist, not reporter, correct?

    Because god knows that this town is painfully lacking uninformed  opinionators.

    #133313

    Fred West Lynn
    Participant

    Now we know why Coach Betard likes Loyko. He works cheap. Knowing the Coach he doesn’t even pay him. Probably told Loyko he’ll make him famous 😆

    A real free-lancer? Paid in “exposure”?

    No one is crazy enough to be paid in “Likes”

     

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