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  • #140222

    Yahtzee
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    Hockey and basketball done.

    What now?

    All eyes turn to the Sox? Do we just focus on EEI’s wack pack (Mark James is NOT crazier than John Dennis! No way!)?

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    #140223

    jforb
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    PFF guest posting for PK today, this should be good.

    #140228

    Florida Sox Fan
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    Or not. The whole thing read as a not-so-humble brag about their business and how many clients they have and how great their services are.

    :weei:   :weei: :weei:

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    #140230

    Coma
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    PFF guest posting for PK today, this should be good.

    I was going to say that it’s not really fair because I’m cherry-picking these quotes, but then I remembered it’s the PFF gang. Screw those guys.

    From the PFF guy who maintained/maintains that Brady isn’t that good:

    One of my favorite aspects of PFF data and grading is how it can spot the obvious coming when it’s still some ways off on the horizon—getting ahead of the curve and identifying talent before it becomes self-evident. 

    Case in point: When Joey Porter was a star and the sack leader for the Miami Dolphins back in 2009, coming off a 17.5-sack season, we at PFF were clamoring for his backup –- a former undrafted pass-rusher who had not long before been playing in Canada -– to get more snaps because he was generating pressure at a far greater rate than Porter. Cameron Wake ultimately went on to be one of the best pass rushers of the past decade and looked it from Day 1 if you were seeing beyond the box score numbers.

    Such examples are everywhere…

    Wake’s first season in Miami was 2009. He didn’t play in the first 2 games of the season, played as a reserve in week 3 (1 tackle), then started in week 4 and responded with 2.5 sacks, 5 solo tackles and a forced fumble. What was the clue that tipped off the PFF staff about Wake’s potential? That the Dolphins coaches put Wake in the starting lineup in his second ever NFL game and he played great? After that, I’m sure that every Dolphins fan was saying “Play that guy more!” That can’t be it, though, it had to have been the PFF staff, looking “beyond the box score.”

    In the bigger picture, Monson says there are many examples like this, but only offers one and that’s of a player who got his big break 10 years ago.

     

    We think it matters far more how often you do something than if you can do something. In the ego-driven world of football the idea that a coach can turn a talented but poor player into something great is still prevalent. However, how many players in the last five years played poorly at the NCAA level and then turned it around in the NFL? It just rarely happens. Drafting on college production (within certain parameters) is the way forward.

    That’s the way forward? Draft the guys who played great in college higher than the players who were inconsistent/injured/seemed like they could be better? That’s always been the approach to drafting. Recommending to draft the best players in college is fine, but what about when those players have all been selected? If the PFF guys were really being revolutionary, they’d have some process to more reliably identify the small school players, the back-ups and the players who dealt with injuries, who might succeed in the NFL.

    Going back to Cameron Wake, he finished his career at Penn State with 191 tackles, 8.5 sacks and 24 tackles for loss. Spread over 3 or 4 years, those numbers aren’t awful, but also not very impressive. Based on PFF’s standard of drafting based on college production, it made sense that Wake wasn’t drafted in 2005. Unlike the GMs who passed on him, the PFF guys also get to congratulate themselves for noticing that Wake might have some potential after he had a great game his rookie season.

     

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    #140231

    jforb
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    I’m further convinced that 99% of their NFL business is just getting charting data faster than the official league source and no one cares about their stats.

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    #140232

    Lebron
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    Weirdo Celtics twitter continues to outdo itself, all last week it was cackling at the Davis’s agent saying he didn’t want to play in Boston and that Ainge was going to laugh all that off and make the trade.  No one has better assets.  Then the Lakers trade happens, reports are that Ainge never offered Tatum and it becomes oh well of course he never offered Tatum, who would?  Did those strange fucks really think they were getting Davis without including Rashard Lewis 2.0 in the deal, or that his agent wasn’t serious when he said he’s not interested in Boston?

    #140233

    chicowalker
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    Rashard Lewis 2.0

    Goddammit..this is terrifying

    #140234

    2. We thinkan 18-game schedule with players only allowed to play in 16 of them would be fascinating. 

    Wait, so that’s the plan? Players can only play in 16 of the 18 games? How the fuck is that supposed to work?

    You only have 53 players in the roster. 22 are offensive/defensive starters. You have 3 specialists for kicking, punting and long-snapping, leaving 28 players in backup roles or special teams. Attrition through the year always leaves some positions woefully thin by the end of the year. So what happens when you get to game 17, you’ve got two linemen nursing injuries (but not on IR) and everybody else has played 16 games? Are you supposed to make guys play two-way?

    Come to think of it, you have just one kicker and one punter. Does the 16-games-only rule apply to them too?

    And how do you define “played in a game”? If they’re active, does that mean they “played” that game.  With all the rotations – running back, receiver, line, DL, goal-line fronts, nickel, dime, etc. – how many active players actually play in a game? How are you possibly going to leave enough for two more full games without expanding the roster?

    And this doesn’t even get into the hand-wringing sure to incur when stars have played their full allotments. The pearl-clutchers will be yelling “fraud!” at Hoyer’s first start.

    What a stupid fucking idea.

    #140235

    Big Fat O
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    After 2 seconds of listening to EEI this AM I’m convinced Kkkallahan is just showing up at 5:59 and leaving at 10:01 and collecting a check.

    Mut is a dim bulb and the twink is useless.  Wiggy isn’t bad and who else is there to go with on.

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    #140236

    Callahardfoul
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    I guess I shouldn’t care where Irving goes, so long as he promptly tears his achilles, but something about him going to the Lakers would make me closed-fist punch a 2 year old.

    #140237

    Lefty
    Moderator

    2. We thinkan 18-game schedule with players only allowed to play in 16 of them would be fascinating.

    Wait, so that’s the plan? Players can only play in 16 of the 18 games? How the fuck is that supposed to work?

    You only have 53 players in the roster. 22 are offensive/defensive starters. You have 3 specialists for kicking, punting and long-snapping, leaving 28 players in backup roles or special teams. Attrition through the year always leaves some positions woefully thin by the end of the year. So what happens when you get to game 17, you’ve got two linemen nursing injuries (but not on IR) and everybody else has played 16 games? Are you supposed to make guys play two-way?

    Come to think of it, you have just one kicker and one punter. Does the 16-games-only rule apply to them too?

    And how do you define “played in a game”? If they’re active, does that mean they “played” that game. With all the rotations – running back, receiver, line, DL, goal-line fronts, nickel, dime, etc. – how many active players actually play in a game? How are you possibly going to leave enough for two more full games without expanding the roster?

    And this doesn’t even get into the hand-wringing sure to incur when stars have played their full allotments. The pearl-clutchers will be yelling “fraud!” at Hoyer’s first start.

    What a stupid fucking idea.

    Imagine being a Jets fan and for all 18 games the opposing team uses its second string quarterback and back up skill players against you because…well, you’re the Jets.

    #140238

    02062
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    2. We thinkan 18-game schedule with players only allowed to play in 16 of them would be fascinating.

    Wait, so that’s the plan? Players can only play in 16 of the 18 games? How the fuck is that supposed to work?

    You only have 53 players in the roster. 22 are offensive/defensive starters. You have 3 specialists for kicking, punting and long-snapping, leaving 28 players in backup roles or special teams. Attrition through the year always leaves some positions woefully thin by the end of the year. So what happens when you get to game 17, you’ve got two linemen nursing injuries (but not on IR) and everybody else has played 16 games? Are you supposed to make guys play two-way?

    Come to think of it, you have just one kicker and one punter. Does the 16-games-only rule apply to them too?

    And how do you define “played in a game”? If they’re active, does that mean they “played” that game. With all the rotations – running back, receiver, line, DL, goal-line fronts, nickel, dime, etc. – how many active players actually play in a game? How are you possibly going to leave enough for two more full games without expanding the roster?

    And this doesn’t even get into the hand-wringing sure to incur when stars have played their full allotments. The pearl-clutchers will be yelling “fraud!” at Hoyer’s first start.

    What a stupid fucking idea.

    Which is why it’ll probably happen.

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    #140239

    02062
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    What if one of Joe Flacco’s two days off is his rematch vs. Ravens?  Or some other contrived PK BS? :pk:

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    #140240

    02062
    Participant

    Prince Phil, One of the greats:

     

    The Sunday Times reports that the Duke of Edinburgh warned his grandson before he proposed to his future wife back in 2017 that “one steps out with an actress, one doesn’t marry them.”

    #140241

    Nashua Dad
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    Someone paid ridiculous regular season ticket prices and the Seahawks decided not to fly their top 6 players across the country as they have a big divisional game the following weekend. How sad that Wilson plays at Foxboro once every 8 years and the fans missed him – Peter King every Monday after this starts.

    #140242

    Feejis
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    I’m sure the Venn diagram of people aghast at the Spurs (and others since) taking some road games off for their stars and those supporting this concept would be interesting.

    The league would undoubtedly expand rosters to allow for the mandatory weeks off but it would be absurd on so many levels. I’d venture to guess that most teams have a pretty consistent 38-40 of their game day 45 all year with the last few spots dependent on injury, etc.  If you “require” those guys all to take 2 weeks off, that’s 80 man games to replace. Or essentially 5-6 players on your current active roster have to sit every single week.

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    #140243

    The first big scandal will come when they play a guy fighting through injuries, the healthy starter having used his allotment, and the injured guy gets hurt worse.

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    #140244

    Nashua Dad
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    Basically the league is inviting teams to publicly identify the weak sisters. Bengals fans, how does it feel that every road team sits their starting QB? Does it make you want to buy tickets?

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    #140245

    Or an even bigger scandal when say Belichick, trying to think ahead, starts his swing tackle in week six, and either he gets injured or he  gets Brady killed. “Why did he sit Wynn?!!” they’ll cry.

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    #140246

    Danny Duberstein
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    Rashard Lewis 2.0

    Goddammit..this is terrifying

    http://bkref.com/tiny/Fq2zo

     

    Because it bothers me.  Has decent comps through 2 years

    #140247

    jforb
    Participant

    Someone paid ridiculous regular season ticket prices and the Seahawks decided not to fly their top 6 players across the country as they have a big divisional game the following weekend. How sad that Wilson plays at Foxboro once every 8 years and the fans missed him – Peter King every Monday after this starts.

    I’m sure he’s gotten excited about guys playing 17 games because of switching teams and would be upset that won’t happen again too.

    #140248

    Lebron
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    I guess I shouldn’t care where Irving goes, so long as he promptly tears his achilles, but something about him going to the Lakers would make me closed-fist punch a 2 year old.

    For me it would confirm my belief that he’s always been an insincere full of himself full of shit douchebag extraordinaire.

    #140249

    Lebron
    Participant

    Rashard Lewis 2.0

    Goddammit..this is terrifying

    http://bkref.com/tiny/Fq2zo

    Because it bothers me. Has decent comps through 2 years

    I hadn’t thought of the Rashard Lewis comp until calla brought it up last week.

    #140250

    Lebron
    Participant

    At least the NFL can easily adapt the ‘load management’ terminology into their player designation status.  Admittedly every time I heard that this past season in the NBA all I could think of was Bill Murray in the bowling movie when he’s asked about the pending paternity suit “hey I pulled out wayyyy early on that one.”

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    #140255

    Claude45
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    2. We thinkan 18-game schedule with players only allowed to play in 16 of them would be fascinating.

    Wait, so that’s the plan? Players can only play in 16 of the 18 games? How the fuck is that supposed to work?

    You only have 53 players in the roster. 22 are offensive/defensive starters. You have 3 specialists for kicking, punting and long-snapping, leaving 28 players in backup roles or special teams. Attrition through the year always leaves some positions woefully thin by the end of the year. So what happens when you get to game 17, you’ve got two linemen nursing injuries (but not on IR) and everybody else has played 16 games? Are you supposed to make guys play two-way?

    Come to think of it, you have just one kicker and one punter. Does the 16-games-only rule apply to them too?

    And how do you define “played in a game”? If they’re active, does that mean they “played” that game. With all the rotations – running back, receiver, line, DL, goal-line fronts, nickel, dime, etc. – how many active players actually play in a game? How are you possibly going to leave enough for two more full games without expanding the roster?

    And this doesn’t even get into the hand-wringing sure to incur when stars have played their full allotments. The pearl-clutchers will be yelling “fraud!” at Hoyer’s first start.

    What a stupid fucking idea.

    In a league burdened by idiots managing it, this would be the dumbest thing the NFL could put in place. So I’ll assume it will be in place the season after next. You sit a good player his two games and then he gets hurt first game back. Now you have to sit his backup and you’re at the 3rd string guy at best.

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