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  • #141295

    In the end isn’t it always the players saying yeah whatever on Goodell’s power just give us the revenue share? 95% of the players are never effected by Goodell’s rulings. So long as Smith or anyone else gets them their money on that side of it they’ve always been more than content to sign up for whatever else. The best part is how they let the owners put in the offset language or whatever else in rookie deals, like the players voting on accepting or rejecting a deal care about what happens to players coming in behind them.

    It is. You’ve illustrated the issue perfectly: players are too short-sighted to think about what’s going to happen to them if they fail a drug test, if they get injured, or after their playing career is over. They’re certainly not thinking about the players that came before or after them. And in any work stoppage, they’re the ones who suffer. And the league has such a PR machine set up, public sentiment always tends to blame the players (look at the Steelers with Le’Veon Bell), incredibly finding fault with the millionaires over the billionaires. They play the game extremely well; I still wonder if this 18-game season proposal is just a red herring to manufacture a false item for the owners to “give up” in compromise for more revenue share.

    So I’m not saying Smith doesn’t have an impossible job; anybody in that position does. I just don’t trust that he holds what’s best for the players more dearly than what’s best for De. Much as we enjoy anybody calling Goodell a liar, a cheat, and a crook, this just feels like disingenuous posturing.

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    #141296

    Lebron
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    Sanchez got a gig with ESPN working on their college football studio show, so smart move on his part.

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    #141297

    Lebron
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    Fully agree on Smith, he’s never met a camera he didn’t want to pose for.  On the 18 game schedule I can’t see why the owners would want to trot out subs for 2 games a year but I guess the NBA seems to have adapted to ‘load management.’  While I think it’s mostly just something to throw out there to give up, I think they do want to get there.  Too much money to be made.

     

    #141298

    Feejis
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    Players would probably go for it if the roster size and cap were increased to account for it. I’m sure coaches and GMs would hate it though.

    #141299

    chicowalker
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    If you could only play 16 games, how much bigger would the roster have to be?

    #141300

    Feejis
    Participant

    If you could only play 16 games, how much bigger would the roster have to be?

    I don’t know if they would “need” to increase it but practically they would want to carry extra OL, extra specialists, etc.

    It is a really stupid proposal overall. Take a regular starting OL for example. You’d have a backup swing tackle playing 4 games and a backup interior guy playing 4 or possibly 6 while the starters rested. Or multiple guys playing games if multiple starters rest at a time. You’d really only have your actual best 5 together 10-12 times even if everyone was healthy.

     

    Same in the defensive secondary. And your WRs, etc.  Would be a total planning nightmare.

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    #141301

    Lebron
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    You’re taking your current roster and healthy scratching all players for 2 games.  Granted you have injuries and can take advantage of that, but no way you could get by without extra depth.  Probably expanding taxi squads.  You have to carry an extra kicker and punter for 2 games.  Or even long snapper and holder.  What an awful idea.

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    #141302

    BrianInLA
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    Anyone hear Simmons’ ideas on how to fix the NBA yet? Good fucking lord. He wants to shorten the season to 75 games. Fine. From there its completely nuts. 25 teams make the “post season” in all sorts of single elimination games. Then the lowest seeds play a best of five against the top seeds but 4 of the 5 games are at home for the higher seeds. Oh, there are no more conferences in the playoffs and its just seeded 1-25. So anyone can play anyone else. Awesome!

    I got to work today and assumed Tom Brady had shot another Kennedy or something. Then I find out he was just having a good time with his kids and half the universe feels a need to tell him how he should be a better parent. I hate society and blame Al Gore for all of this and his stupid internet.

     

     

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    #141303

    jforb
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    Who are the other 2 games against? Everyone get a chance to play against Aaron Rodgers or something?

    #141304

    jforb
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    Actually why do I care, odds are I’m done with the league by the time this would happen.

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    #141305

    Lebron
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    I’d really love to see an NBA season at like 60ish games starting the Monday after the Super Bowl stretching through the summer winding up around August or Labor Day.  Of course that’s all part of my master plan to avoid July and August baseball.  The other stuff is just boring gimmicks.

    #141306

    02062
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    Who are the other 2 games against? Everyone get a chance to play against Aaron Rodgers or something?

    What if the two games missed means that the stars of two teams miss out on one of Peter King’s dream matchup scenarios? (Brady/Jimmy G, Lamar/Jumpball Joe etc.) :pk:

    #141307

    Whatever they would decide on how to make 18 games work, I’m sure Belichick would find a way to exploit it, only for Fatty and the Shrieking Pearlclutchers to cry “No fair!” and get it changed by the competition committee, probably midseason so their media darlings wouldn’t need to miss their upcoming sit games. I suppose all it would really take is for Aaron Donald to blow past Green Bay’s third-string center, then knock Aaron Rodgers’ knee cap into Lake Michigan.

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    #141308

    Humphrey
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    I can see something like snap count (like pitch count) perhaps working. Otherwise it’s simply too fucked up to try and make equitable.

    Too much specialization and other variables in pro football for it to ever be fair.

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    #141309

    Feejis
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    Whatever they would decide on how to make 18 games work, I’m sure Belichick would find a way to exploit it, only for Fatty and the Shrieking Pearlclutchers to cry “No fair!” and get it changed by the competition committee, probably midseason so their media darlings wouldn’t need to miss their upcoming sit games. I suppose all it would really take is for Aaron Donald to blow past Green Bay’s third-string center, then knock Aaron Rodgers’ knee cap into Lake Michigan.

    Yes it’ll be unnecessarily complex. Each team must designate 10 premium players and such players will not be permitted to miss Sunday Night or Monday Night or Thursday Night or any other premium matchup as identified by the league on the printed tickets circulated in August.*

     

    * the league reserves the right to classify any future games as premium games

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    #141311

    GusChiggins
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    :weei: Imagine all the clicks on stories about which players to sit what games. It’s fantasy football come to life.

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    #141313

    Feejis
    Participant

    As it is the Pats had only 17 players play all 16 last year and only 7 more play 15. So natural attrition may work itself out anyhow, but it’s hardly ideal.

    #141315

    Lebron
    Participant

    :weei:Imagine all the clicks on stories about which players to sit what games. It’s fantasy football come to life.

    That’s exactly what it will become – I need a backup QB for my starter’s bye week!

    Meanwhile, the NBA has decided it’s time to seat a blue ribbon panel on this free agency monkey business.  Too many contracts are being signed just as free agency opens.  Isn’t that how it always goes, as well as the same in football?  Hell they even call it the ‘legal’ tampering period.  What does it matter when contracts get signed?  If Kawhi or Kemba signed today, what difference does it make?

    #141316

    Lefty
    Moderator

    :weei:Imagine all the clicks on stories about which players to sit what games. It’s fantasy football come to life.

    That’s exactly what it will become – I need a backup QB for my starter’s bye week!

    Meanwhile, the NBA has decided it’s time to seat a blue ribbon panel on this free agency monkey business. Too many contracts are being signed just as free agency opens. Isn’t that how it always goes, as well as the same in football? Hell they even call it the ‘legal’ tampering period. What does it matter when contracts get signed? If Kawhi or Kemba signed today, what difference does it make?

    The Knicks didn’t get to sign any of the top players they wanted.  That’s what it all comes down to.  The league only gives (or even pretends to give) a shit because the Knicks once again look like the Jets of the NBA.

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    #141317

    Coma
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    Mark Sanchez announced his retirement from football today.

    That sort of begs the question – do you have to have a career to announce your retirement from it?

    I’m sure someone, probably a host on 98.5, has dragged out the stat that Sanchez has as many road playoff victories as Brady. Of course, Sanchez never playing a home playoff game does tend to skew the comparison.

    Going back to Tyreek Hill, it may be better to ignore this stuff, but I also think the school of thought that pointing out that stupid people are stupid is worthwhile. In every comments section of an article or reply to a tweet, there’s someone who will point how the league handled Brady’s punishment and someone else will respond with “Brady didn’t cooperate and destroyed his phone.” It’s almost impressive the narrative the league was push. Wells literally said that Brady and the Patriots were cooperative with the investigation, the league had all the text messages between Brady and the ball boys, and Brady’s actual, physical phone didn’t become an issue until July of 2015. This was 2 months after the Wells report was released and a month after Brady’s appeal hearing with Goodell. I know it’s well-worn territory here, but the league’s basis for punishment kept changing and that doesn’t seem to matter to some people.

    #141320

    Lebron
    Participant

    I think the Lakers might be making just as big of a stink with Kawhi jerking them around.  Of course Pelinka got caught 2 years ago telling George’s agent to ask for a trade, so fuck them.

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    #141321

    Lebron
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    Didn’t Wells state that they told him they just needed the messages not the device?  I also thought Brady clarified with them that they weren’t going to need the actual device before going through his standard destruction process when he got a new phone.

    #141322

    Lefty
    Moderator

    Didn’t Wells state that they told him they just needed the messages not the device? I also thought Brady clarified with them that they weren’t going to need the actual device before going through his standard destruction process when he got a new phone.

    Are you trying to bring FACTS into this discussion?    You’re just a Patriots fanboy.

    #141323

    02062
    Participant

    Anyone hear Simmons’ ideas on how to fix the NBA yet? Good fucking lord. He wants to shorten the season to 75 games. Fine. From there its completely nuts. 25 teams make the “post season” in all sorts of single elimination games. Then the lowest seeds play a best of five against the top seeds but 4 of the 5 games are at home for the higher seeds. Oh, there are no more conferences in the playoffs and its just seeded 1-25. So anyone can play anyone else. Awesome!

    I got to work today and assumed Tom Brady had shot another Kennedy or something. Then I find out he was just having a good time with his kids and half the universe feels a need to tell him how he should be a better parent. I hate society and blame Al Gore for all of this and his stupid internet.

    Has fatty finger wagged?

    The San Jose Mercury News didn’t  like Curry’s reaction apparently.

    A number of celebrities responded to the post, including Golden State Warriors guard Stephen Curry, who dropped a bunch of laughing emojis.

    We think that means Steph approves, but we won’t know for sure unless he and daughters Riley and Ryan end up on a cliff to duplicate the stunt.”

     

    #141324

    Lefty
    Moderator

    Toronto is being pretty creative this NHL off season.   They just traded their back up goalie to Vegas for the contract of guy who is never going to play again.   They will stash that on LTIR and save a ton in cap space, which they need.   (Bruins did that with Marc Savard’s contract for a while)

     

    aggressive move without too high a price.   Would like to have seen Bruins do something like that

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