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  • #99145

    BrianInLA
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    Early on in Billions when they were doing the flashbacks I thought it looked a lot like an Oceans 11/12/13 setup. Then the payoff in the final scene was exactly that. An awesome episode.

    However isn’t Giamatti still out $8 million and his lawyer buddy down about $125 million? Its not like they just get that money back even if it was a setup. Seems a bit hefty just to take down a guy you hate. Wendy also shorting the stock will end up being the deal breaker. That was just too random of a scene to not mean anything. If they all go down, so does she.

     

     

     

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    #99146

    Chuck Schick
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    I don’t know if I get Chuck’s play on Billions. So he risks his family’s entire fortune on being able to sue Axelrod to recover it, and presumably ruin Axe Capital in the process? Seems pretty risky, especially not telling his father. The guy thinks he’s ruined, he might off himself. And why would he even tell his wife about it and pretend he’s all excited about the IPO?

    #99148

    BrianInLA
    Participant

    I forgot about the dad also losing his lifes savings. Ask the Enron investors how much money they got back.

    #99149

    Chuck Schick
    Participant

    Yeah, Chuck Sr. doubled down on the Ice Juice. Even if you think you’re going to be right in the end, that’s still pants-shitting time when you hear that Dad went all in like that. And he completely fucked his lawyer buddy too, it seems.

    #99150

    Lebron
    Participant

    Not sure he cares about his father, like he probably hates that all that money is in a blind trust.  The way he ran around on his mother.  And same with his wife deep down he hates that she has all the money.  He’s pretty self righteous and likely looks at where these people end up as either a means to an end in getting Ax, or getting what they deserve.  The main guy getting fucked is Ira.

    I wonder if Chuck knows Wendy slept with that guy and maybe why he sucked Wendy into this.

     

    #99151

    BrianInLA
    Participant

    His dad bought more above $30 and the stock is what…under $4? That’s a serious gut punch. And will his dad and friend be cool if they ever find out that it was a Chuck setup?

    #99153

    BrianInLA
    Participant

    Chuck still loves Wendy and its the mother of his kids. There’s no way he knew she’d be shorting the stock. I don’t think she’s ever made a stock play (that we’ve seen) during the entire series. Its going to come down to taking down Axe and also Wendy…or…I don’t know what the out would be now that they brought back the special prosecutor who will most likely be overseeing this case so it doesn’t look like more harassment from Chuck.

     

    #99216

    Humphrey
    Participant

    Chuck still loves Wendy and its the mother of his kids. There’s no way he knew she’d be shorting the stock. I don’t think she’s ever made a stock play (that we’ve seen) during the entire series. Its going to come down to taking down Axe and also Wendy…or…I don’t know what the out would be now that they brought back the special prosecutor who will most likely be overseeing this case so it doesn’t look like more harassment from Chuck.

    The whole thing seemed too far fetched.   Take Chuck, Chuck Sr & Ira out of the equation and they would have fucked over thousands of other people too?    That doesn’t seem like a very good way to get Chuck a bunch of gubernatorial votes.

     

     

    #99230

    BrianInLA
    Participant

    Maybe on the flip side this actually helps Chuck’s chances at running. It will probably not be known to the public that he had guys spying on Axe and his folks (not that Chuck really did anything wrong in any of this) and now he can also get the sympathetic vote by going “Look…I’m just like you. I lost $8 million because of these greedy guys…” and common man is going to agree with him.

    People putting the bacteria into their drinks in the middle of the public was sort of stupid however. At least go into a restroom or something so there aren’t 200 witnesses.

    #99254

    Patrick Pass
    Participant

    American Gods-Super trippy, but I really dug the first episode. The title of the episode should have been SNATCH EATS MAN.

    Agree. It put the weird in weird but interesting and good enough I’ll be checking out next week too.

    #99258

    Kevin
    Participant

    American Gods-Super trippy, but I really dug the first episode. The title of the episode should have been SNATCH EATS MAN.

    Agree. It put the weird in weird but interesting and good enough I’ll be checking out next week too.

    It’s got Ian McShane in it. Even if the rest of it sicks, he’s worth it.

    #99361

    Kevin
    Participant

    His dad bought more above $30 and the stock is what…under $4? That’s a serious gut punch. And will his dad and friend be cool if they ever find out that it was a Chuck setup?

    Seems like his father used only Chuck’s money, so he probably doesn’t give a shit. Plus if it somehow helped him become governor, he really wouldn’t care. His buddy has a real gripe.

    Is being governor worth $8 million to Chuck? How can he use “my dad blew all my blind trust money” as political capital? You would look stupid not being diversified or trusting the wrong people, wouldn’t you?

    #99369

    Humphrey
    Participant

    I liked the Barton Fink reference in last night’s Fargo.

     

     

    #99370

    BrianInLA
    Participant

    In thinking about it more, which, I know, is stupid….couldn’t Chuck have pulled the exact same stunt while not investing any of his own money in the juice, thus saving himself $8 million? He seemed to go out of his way to get his dad involved and then push to get himself into the stock after first telling his buddy ‘no’. He seemingly could have done all of the same stuff without a dime of his own money in the juice.

    #99377

    Lebron
    Participant

    I’m not sure I’ve ever felt so awful for a tv character like Martha on The Americans.  All alone in mid ’80s Soviet Union.  Christ.

    #99399

    Lebron
    Participant

    I liked the Barton Fink reference in last night’s Fargo.

    I recognized the present day Vivian Lord as a broad Clint Eastwood was with for a while.  Turns out the younger version of Vivian Lord was portrayed by Francesca Eastwood, daughter of Clint and that actress.

    #99400

    Kevin
    Participant

    So Gus Fring was always working for Don Eladio, and he wasn’t just a competitor?

    #99402

    Lebron
    Participant

    Yeah I thought it was mostly Gus not being a part of the cartel but paying a tribute as the cartel ran blow and Gus ran meth in their territory.  Then Eladio wanted to basically take that over and that’s when Gus made his move to kill him and had Bosa killed.

    #99423

    Danny Duberstein
    Participant

    Binged the shit out of Bosch the weekend it came out. Love that show. Now back to season one

    #99528

    BrianInLA
    Participant

    Well I guess chuck was just on tilt with wiping out his best friend and his dad as neither was none too happy. I put the first two seasons of Billions up against any first two seasons of any show.

    #99557

    Lebron
    Participant

    He definitely didn’t care – worth it.  The scene with his dad was great, as was the final scene with Axe.  I’d have to look at the scene again where his dad shows him the pics of Wendy and that guy, but seemed like it was the morning after, which wouldn’t make much sense as Wendy basically blew him off and he called first shower, so I doubt they had much of a lingering farewell outside her pad.

    #99559

    Kevin
    Participant

    The fathers reaction seemed kinda strange to me. He seemed even more happy than Chuck whenever he had a chance to screw Axelrod. I thought he’d be okay with it ultimately.

    #99561

    Lebron
    Participant

    The fathers reaction seemed kinda strange to me. He seemed even more happy than Chuck whenever he had a chance to screw Axelrod. I thought he’d be okay with it ultimately.

    I was half waiting for him to congratulate Chuck or say how impressed he was with him after Ira left.  Then again he’s completely wiped out at this point.

    #99562

    Kevin
    Participant

    I like that Axelrod was out in a day for literally poisoning people, and Eric Bogosian was mopping empty hallways within a week of being charged with insider trading. :lol:

    #99565

    Div
    Participant

    I like that Axelrod was out in a day for literally poisoning people, and Eric Bogosian was mopping empty hallways within a week of being charged with insider trading. 😆

    The fact that Bogosian was just hanging by himself mopping floors while on prison release bothered me from a plot perspective, but I suppose Rhodes could have made that happen behind the scenes plausibly.

    #99566

    BrianInLA
    Participant

    Heh. Some of the timelines definitely seem skewed at times. Someone asked Koppelman on his pre-show twitter Q/A…”When does Axe spend time with his kids?” and Koppelman replied “When the show is off the air”.

     

    #99585

    Humphrey
    Participant

    Heh. Some of the timelines definitely seem skewed at times. Someone asked Koppelman on his pre-show twitter Q/A…”When does Axe spend time with his kids?” and Koppelman replied “When the show is off the air”.

    Did they pinch Hall or was he tipped off and bolted?

     

     

    #99586

    BrianInLA
    Participant

    I thought Hall bolted. That guy seemed to know everything and be in a million places all at once. Just odd he wouldn’t have given Axe the heads up if he really did bolt but would his phone be disco’d if they had pinched him? I’ve been pinched. My phone was just turned off so the battery wouldn’t die which was nice of them. :)

     

     

    #99587

    Humphrey
    Participant

    I thought Hall bolted. That guy seemed to know everything and be in a million places all at once. Just odd he wouldn’t have given Axe the heads up if he really did bolt but would his phone be disco’d if they had pinched him? I’ve been pinched. My phone was just turned off so the battery wouldn’t die which was nice of them. 🙂

    You would think to be consistent with the other things in the episode that Hall’s phone would be kept on so they’d have another way of finding Axe.    But, you’re right, he could have called or texted him before he shitcanned the phone.

     

     

    #99608

    Lebron
    Participant

    Jian Yang making fun of Erlich always slays me.

    #99735

    Kevin
    Participant

    Wow. Best Better Call Saul ever!

    #99737

    Doncabesa
    Participant

    Wow. Best Better Call Saul ever!

    Amazing, 2 1/2 seasons of buildup all worth it.

    #99746

    As satisfying as that was,  I don’t know what the “bingo” was from the previous episode. I missed how Kim, Chuck and Howard’s hallway meeting manifested itself in Jimmy and Kim’s strategy.

    #99751

    Kevin
    Participant

    As satisfying as that was, I don’t know what the “bingo” was from the previous episode. I missed how Kim, Chuck and Howard’s hallway meeting manifested itself in Jimmy and Kim’s strategy.

    Me neither. Looking back at it the only info she got from them is that they were going to play the tape.

    Maybe Jimmy would have accepted a suspension but a total disbarment would require him to escalate and bring up Chuck’s mental state?

    #99752

    Lebron
    Participant

    I think it had to do with the idea of entrapment – making a copy of the tape lends further credence to the idea that Chuck was baiting Jimmy into destroying the tape knowing full well he had a backup copy.  Make no mistake the tape will be played confirmed to Kim that there was a copy of it.

    #99760

    I think it had to do with the idea of entrapment – making a copy of the tape lends further credence to the idea that Chuck was baiting Jimmy into destroying the tape knowing full well he had a backup copy. Make no mistake the tape will be played confirmed to Kim that there was a copy of it.

    I guess I was expecting a payoff of that. Like Kim secretly taping Chuck’s admission of the second tape (karmic justice for Chuck’s secret taping). Or that Huell’s sticky fingers would swap out the tape, and we’d be hearing God knows what when they played it at the hearing. Whether they had confirmation of the duplicate or not, weren’t they going to prepare as though it existed?

    Definitely a couple Gilligan nods to A Few Good Men and The Caine Mutiny.

    #99761

    InThisTown
    Participant

    Entrapment is too easy/obvious, IMO. I mean, that works, but the more Gilliganian resolution is more clever than that. The IDEA is to make Chuck look nuts, right? Every step they took was to get to that point in court. The existence of the copy is a critical piece – “Your honor, my brother is nuts as you can clearly see based on his behavior here, I often tell him things to make him feel better. Clearly the mistake he made with Mesa Verde is an unfortunate one precipitated by his deteriorating mental state and my confession to him was merely a way to make him feel better.”

    #99763

    Kevin
    Participant

    The actor who plays Huell really slimmed down, but Huell as a character really fattens up.

    #99765

    I loved how every genuine thing Jimmy did – the billboard fall, the Chicago Sunroof, the nine-year-old pilfering from the cash register  – sounded so nuts out of Chuck’s mouth.

    #99770

    Kevin
    Participant

    I loved how every genuine thing Jimmy did – the billboard fall, the Chicago Sunroof, the nine-year-old pilfering from the cash register – sounded so nuts out of Chuck’s mouth.

    The super close-up shot of his face really emphasizes it.

    Kinda wished Chuck explicitly told Jimmy that he wasn’t going to go full Col. Jessep.

    #99782

    Lebron
    Participant

    I think it had to do with the idea of entrapment – making a copy of the tape lends further credence to the idea that Chuck was baiting Jimmy into destroying the tape knowing full well he had a backup copy. Make no mistake the tape will be played confirmed to Kim that there was a copy of it.

    I guess I was expecting a payoff of that. Like Kim secretly taping Chuck’s admission of the second tape (karmic justice for Chuck’s secret taping). Or that Huell’s sticky fingers would swap out the tape, and we’d be hearing God knows what when they played it at the hearing. Whether they had confirmation of the duplicate or not, weren’t they going to prepare as though it existed? Definitely a couple Gilligan nods to A Few Good Men and The Caine Mutiny.

    Does she need to tape him admitting a second tape?  He already claimed a destroyed tape as part of the damages.

    I was thinking from Kim’s perspective she might be trying to go the entrapment angle, hence Bingo.  Jimmy was never going that route.  Kim wasn’t in on the Huell operation or the ex wife from what I could tell, and she might have gone with the entrapment in her questioning of Chuck if she had handled it.

    #99793

    I hadn’t worked out exactly what it was, but my thinking was the significant part was Chuck saying the tape Jimmy destroyed wasn’t the original. It would be  reasonable to the hearing board that Chuck had made copies of the confession tape, for the sake of protecting  evidence. But his smug boast that the original tape will be played was an admission of the entrapment,  that Jimmy’s breaking and entering and destruction of property were fully provoked. But I didn’t know if that mattered, because he still broke in, and he still destroyed the property.

    #99795

    InThisTown
    Participant

    I’ll apologize a thousand times if I’m wrong but the entrapment angle at this point makes everything else extraneous and if we know anything about these writers, they would not waste the amount of time they have on something like that. It just doesn’t make sense and it’s too hard to explain – at the very least it requires the viewer to thread the needle, logically.

    #99797

    I’ll apologize a thousand times if I’m wrong but the entrapment angle at this point makes everything else extraneous and if we know anything about these writers, they would not waste the amount of time they have on something like that. It just doesn’t make sense and it’s too hard to explain – at the very least it requires the viewer to thread the needle, logically.

    Look, you’re right. The “make Chuck look nuts” strategy is enough. It’s just that “bingo” is a loose thread; it promised more than it delivered.

    #99923

    Humphrey
    Participant

    Well now we know why VM Varga has such shitty looking teeth.   I hope that actor didn’t have to do more than one take of heaving his guts out, because it sure looked real.

    :puke:

    #100143

    Doncabesa
    Participant

    Mother’s day = the night of dong on tv it seems.  Plenty in The Leftovers and American Gods, jesus.

    #100192

    Kevin
    Participant

    Damn, I don’t know what to say about that The Leftovers episode. :lol:

    #100198

    Lebron
    Participant

    The matter of factly so that’s the guy I was talking about was great.

    What a horrible way to get to Australia.  And did Captain Aceveda hang in Tasmania waiting for them?

    #100222

    Kevin
    Participant

    The matter of factly so that’s the guy I was talking about was great.

    What a horrible way to get to Australia. And did Captain Aceveda hang in Tasmania waiting for them?

    That might have been the weirdest part.

    Hey, guy we’ve never seen on this show before, you’ve got a plane and connections, how about taking us to Australia immediately with very few questions asked?

    #100313

    Kevin
    Participant

    I thought the God guy from The Leftovers looked familiar, but Indodnt know from where.

    He was Detective Box from The Night Of.

    HBO Day Players Alert!

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