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  • #25841

    Kevin
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    Loved it. A lot of the beats felt so familiar, yet somehow it’s new as well.

    Like you all said, the new characters are so great. Daisy Ridley especially. Even though it’s completely unrealistic, I loved how all the characters so enthusiastically bond with each other. Rey and BB8, Rey and Finn, Finn and Poe all have like instant chemistry the second they meet.

    And it’s funny. Has to be the funniest movie of the entire franchise. And some of the humor comes from something as simple as a character dreading giving bad news to Ren. Solo is a quip machine, maybe a bit too much. Best laugh of the movie for me was Finn saying, “We’ll just use the Force. and Solo telling him that’s not how it works.

    Was kind of hoping that Snoke really was that size, just so when it comes to Rey vs. Snoke (I assume), you have no idea how she’ll deal with fighting someone that size.

    The setting of the last scene was amazing. While she’s making the walk up, I really wanted the reveal that she’s Luke’s daughter. But it was perfect as it is.

    The bad news: a Death Star? Again? And you have to fly into a trench to blow it up? Ugh.

    The Finn thing with picking up the light saber and actually having a little success with it was weird. Not sure why Ren wouldn’t just be able to cut him in half with ease.

    I don’t have a big love of R2D2, but putting him on mothballs and just waking up randomly was kind of odd. The “that piece of junk” reveal of the Falcon was strangely my most visceral reaction. Also strangely, I so much expected Solo to die, that I felt almost nothing when it happened.

    Overall, it was pretty awesome, though.

    #25849

    InThisTown
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    See I thought that the R2 thing was so so well done. It’s not often that a retcon works but that was kind of perfect – hey remember this iconic scene? Well he also downloaded these maps. So great. And as far as mothballing him it worked because A) it gave much greater gravity to his character and to Luke’s absence and B) otherwise every old character is basically introduced roll call style and it becomes tedious.

    #25852

    Kevin
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    I usually have a thousand nits to pick after one of these movies, (see TDKR) :lol: and there’s a couple, but mostly there’s a bunch of little things that are great.

    -Kylo Ren leaving Stormtrooper Finn alone for having second thoughts about killing the villagers echoing that he has conflicting thoughts of his own.

    -Ben Solo is almost as cool a name as Han Solo.

    -The idea that a Dark Sider can be tempted the other way too. (Though Leia, if Han did bring your son home, wouldn’t he immediately be tried for war crimes)?

    -The allusion that as cool as Han Solo is, he’s probably a terrible dad.

    #25853

    Kevin
    Participant

    So is Rey Luke’s kid, or Leia’s kid that she never told Han about?

    And thanks ITT, for making me focus on Carrie Fisher’s dentures. :lol:

    #25867

    Dan
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    I usually have a thousand nits to pick after one of these movies, (see TDKR) :lol: and there’s a couple, but mostly there’s a bunch of little things that are great. -Kylo Ren leaving Stormtrooper Finn alone for having second thoughts about killing the villagers echoing that he has conflicting thoughts of his own. -Ben Solo is almost as cool a name as Han Solo. -The idea that a Dark Sider can be tempted the other way too. (Though Leia, if Han did bring your son home, wouldn’t he immediately be tried for war crimes)? -The allusion that as cool as Han Solo is, he’s probably a terrible dad.

    Why wouldn’t force ghosts Yoda and Obi-Wan appear to Luke at some point and let him know it’s a bad idea to train Ben Solo as a Jedi?  Or maybe they did and Luke blew them off like Qui-Gon and (later) Obi-Wan did?

    #25868

    Kevin
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    They’re not going to set up a redemption arc for Kylo Ren, are they?

    Because he killed Han Solo. Innocent villagers and whole planets, sure. But Han Solo?

    You can’t come back from that.

    #25869

    Feejis
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    Think someone else mentioned it but the one thing that they could have taken a little time to explore was how Poe got back to the resistance base. I know they were following Rey and Finn and building that story and I get it, but they couldn’t make the movie 2 minutes longer with a scene of him stumbling away from the crash and hopping onto a ship of some kind? I dunno, very nitpicky I know.

    #25870

    Feejis
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    Potentially dumb question: when the First Order used the Starkiller Base weapon, did they destroy the New Republic home planet? It wasn’t clear to me which planets they were destroying.

    It was said by someone with Leia’s group that they did in fact destroy the Republic’s planet. Not sure which one it was or which others.

    #25872

    Kevin
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    Potentially dumb question: when the First Order used the Starkiller Base weapon, did they destroy the New Republic home planet? It wasn’t clear to me which planets they were destroying.

    It was said by someone with Leia’s group that they did in fact destroy the Republic’s planet. Not sure which one it was or which others.

    I read somewhere that they did blow up the entire Senate, but that the planet wasn’t Coruscant, it was just some planet that looks a lot like it.

    I think the reason it wasn’t Coruscant is because that’s a real “fuck you George Lucas and your city planets!” :lol:

    #25918

    BSF34
    Participant

    Maybe Kylo was having a hard time in the lightsaber battles with Finn and Rey is because he was shot by Chewie? Probably not at 100% strength. :lol:

    Wait, what?

    #25946

    Kevin
    Participant

    Maybe Kylo was having a hard time in the lightsaber battles with Finn and Rey is because he was shot by Chewie? Probably not at 100% strength. :lol:

    He’s a Sith Lord (or whatever they’re calling them these days).

    They’re a janitor and trash picker, respectively.

    #25948

    Kevin
    Participant

    If I really want to to go full nitpicker, if ask when did lightsabers stop chopping off limbs and start just giving treatable burns?

    Blasters too. Chewie waves off a laser shot to the gut like it was a bee sting. :lol:

    #25949

    Feejis
    Participant

    Maybe Kylo was having a hard time in the lightsaber battles with Finn and Rey is because he was shot by Chewie? Probably not at 100% strength. :lol:

    He’s a Sith Lord (or whatever they’re calling them these days). They’re a janitor and trash picker, respectively.

    Well, Finn is a trained stormtrooper. (A terrific oxymoron, I’m aware). Granted that was his first mission, but he’s not completely new to the idea of fighting.

    #25957

    Dan
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    Maybe Kylo was having a hard time in the lightsaber battles with Finn and Rey is because he was shot by Chewie? Probably not at 100% strength. :lol:

    He’s a Sith Lord (or whatever they’re calling them these days). They’re a janitor and trash picker, respectively.

    Well, Finn is a trained stormtrooper. (A terrific oxymoron, I’m aware). Granted that was his first mission, but he’s not completely new to the idea of fighting.

    Some speculation online that Finn may have been trained with that melee weapon the stormtrooper used to defend against the lightsaber.  And Kylo Ren was wounded and not completely trained as a Sith, though he was able to stop a blaster bolt in mid-air, which Vader never did.

    One of the HitFix stories said that the Republic Senate planet was destroyed, supposedly in the Hosnian system.

    #26038

    Larry Legend
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    #26056

    Kevin
    Participant

    Best fanboy scene was Finn’s POV of Poe’s X-Wing circling around blowing shit up. That was the balls.

    #26064

    Fred West Lynn
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    Basically just agreeing with the prevailing sentiment here. I saw the early show Sunday morning at Regal Kenmore. Was pretty sure I couldn’t go otherwise until after Christmas, and was certain that spoilers would reach me before that happened. (I was right.)

    I thought both Finn and Rey were terrific characters and can’t wait to see where their story arcs go.

    Because of the old tale that Ford wanted to kill off Solo in ROTJ, I had a thought that he might be the one to buy it. I was surprised JJ didn’t milk that scene a little more. Also, it felt absolutely right when Rey sat next to Chewie in the cockpit later on.

    Not a big Adam Driver fan, but I thought he played well with others.

    Wrap Up: Loved it. It hit all the right note and was never visually static. I had heard that the 3-D version is a little disappointing, but the big screen is where to see it. How people can watch movies like this on a phone or a tablet is a mystery to me.

    Last point: The BBQ place next to the Regal is pretty good. Never go there when I go to Red Sox games, but may alter my path. Especially if they close Who’s On First.

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    #26083

    Danny Duberstein
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    Without the mask on, that Kylo Ren guy chews a lot of scenery. Lots of grimaces. Weird looking dude.

    #26087

    Kevin
    Participant

    So in 30 something years, Leia never bothered to see what she could do with the Force?

    She could open the freezer and float im pints of Ben and Jerry’s from the couch!

    #26088

    BSF34
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    #26274

    BSF34
    Participant

    From Yahoo

    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/star-wars-the-force-awakens-ultimate-faq-164511371.html

     

    A long read, but it fills in some of the blanks in TFA.

    Wait, what?

    #26282

    chicowalker
    Participant

    Forgot to ask this- anyone else get a “Ted Danson in SPR” vibe from the fat guy from Heroes being one of the pilots? :lol:

    #26296

    Kevin
    Participant

    Forgot to ask this- anyone else get a “Ted Danson in SPR” vibe from the fat guy from Heroes being one of the pilots? :lol:

    Big time. Same with Miles from “Lost” AKA Junior’s underling from the cuckoo house.

    #26304

    Larry Legend
    Participant

    Forgot to ask this- anyone else get a “Ted Danson in SPR” vibe from the fat guy from Heroes being one of the pilots? :lol:

    That’s Greg Grunberg. A childhood friend of Abrams.

    #26342

    Dan
    Participant

    Forgot to ask this- anyone else get a “Ted Danson in SPR” vibe from the fat guy from Heroes being one of the pilots? :lol:

    That’s Greg Grunberg. A childhood friend of Abrams. [/quote]

    He’s JJ’s good luck charm.  He puts him in all of his projects.  Wasn’t he the Oceanic pilot in the Lost pilot?

    #26347

    Danny Duberstein
    Participant

    Forgot to ask this- anyone else get a “Ted Danson in SPR” vibe from the fat guy from Heroes being one of the pilots? :lol:

    He’s Abrams muse no?  I think they go back to kindergarten

    #26352

    Patrick Pass
    Participant

    Saw it. Thought it was great. What’s the theory on why Finn with zero experience was able to use light saber acceptably well? Mace Windu’s son/grandson?

    #26353

    Danny Duberstein
    Participant

    I just chalked it up to military training

    #26372

    Marty Nopointe
    Participant

    Did Carrie Fisher have a stroke somewhere along the way? I’ve seen her in interviews sounding odd, but man she’s had a long road to get here

    I was wondering the same thing

    #26375

    Marty Nopointe
    Participant

    I’m also thinking that Snoke is probably Yoda sized. Has a Napoleon complex which is why he appears much larger than everyone else during his hologram communications with Kylo.

    Agreed, might not even have a living body

    #26376

    Marty Nopointe
    Participant

    And some of the humor comes from something as simple as a character dreading giving bad news to Ren. …

    I don’t have a big love of R2D2, but putting him on mothballs and just waking up randomly was kind of odd.

    the stormtroopers who just stop and start walking the other way

    I assume R2 was waiting per instructions from Luke ‘Rey or some other young Jedi shows up then wake up and give them the map’

    I loved all the callbacks, the lightsaber stuck in the snow starts shaking from the force grab right out of the Wampa cave … I’ve got the feeling I won’t notice everything until I’ve watched it at home 4 or 5 times.

    Poe’s contact on Jakku – was it one of the Rebellion officers from Return of the Jedi or something?

    #26400

    Nashua Dad
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    Forgot to ask this- anyone else get a “Ted Danson in SPR” vibe from the fat guy from Heroes being one of the pilots? :lol:

    That’s Greg Grunberg. A childhood friend of Abrams.

    He’s JJ’s good luck charm. He puts him in all of his projects. Wasn’t he the Oceanic pilot in the Lost pilot? [/quote]
    He was. Just saw it today with the family, spoiler free for a week and everyone loved it. The last scene was the best, got the chills.

     

    #26434

    Marty Nopointe
    Participant

    Anyone think Poe’s escape was engineered by Ren? All of the elements are there, Ren knew (could even have caused) Finn’s doubt and desire to escape, Finn’s superiors knew he didn’t kill anyone (assume they could tell from the blaster inspection) yet after ‘re-education’ he’s assigned as the single guard for Ren’s prisoner – Ren could have forced that outside the military hierarchy. After the escape Poe is missing. His escape aids Ren’s plans. Those are Vader/Emperor actions from 1-6.

    The First Order wanted Poe dead, they would’ve gladly shot him instead of taking him prisoner and they tried to shoot down the TIE, but their motivations and Ren’s aren’t the same.

    There is likely some dark side equivalent of the Jedi mind trick, Ren did get the info from Poe, he could’ve left an implanted suggestion as well.

    #26446

    Florida Sox Fan
    Participant

    Just saw it in a theater full of people chilled out after Christmas brunch. Three generations all enjoyed thoroughly.

    Re Harrison Ford, I thought his age-worn face played well, as Han was supposed to have been through many trials and tribulations. Carrie Fisher, not so much.

    Can’t wait for VIII.

    #27085

    TwoTimes
    Participant

    I’m nowhere the Star Wars buff a lot of you people are but couldn’t Rey just as easily be Han and Leia’s kid also?  I guess I feel like it’s too easy and obvious for her to be Luke’s daughter, plus the Rey/Kylo thing would kind of mirror the Luke/Leia thing from 4 through 6.

    #27115

    rrsafety
    Participant

    Ditto to much that has been said.

    I have a schoolboy crush on Rey. She is mighty fine.

    #27117

    InThisTown
    Participant

    I’d be shocked if she was a Solo. I don’t think that’s the case at all. Bastard Leia kid maybe. It that wasn’t a mom-daughter interaction. I mean I’m sure at some point it was considered but Luke makes more sense. Unless that was a huge, cheap misdirect. If we’re going not Luke’s daughter I like either Obi or Palp’s granddaughter. Either of those choices would be interesting but still I’m not sure the former would have much of a dramatic impact and her bearing is not that of a dark sider.

    #27126

    InThisTown
    Participant

    This is a pretty good summary of all the potential questions that have been raised.

     

    http://io9.gizmodo.com/33-questions-we-desperately-want-answered-after-star-wa-1748953034

    #27137

    BSF34
    Participant

    I’d be shocked if she was a Solo. I don’t think that’s the case at all. Bastard Leia kid maybe. It that wasn’t a mom-daughter interaction. I mean I’m sure at some point it was considered but Luke makes more sense. Unless that was a huge, cheap misdirect. If we’re going not Luke’s daughter I like either Obi or Palp’s granddaughter. Either of those choices would be interesting but still I’m not sure the former would have much of a dramatic impact and her bearing is not that of a dark sider.

    More and more stuff I see on the inta-web think Rey’s Ob-Wan’s granddaughter.

    Wait, what?

    #27145

    Feejis
    Participant

    Can’t be Leia’s kid. Not the way those scenes were played. Even if she had a secret kid that Han didn’t know about, SHE would have reacted accordingly when she saw that kid for the first time in forever.

    #27146

    Larry Legend
    Participant

    After a couple weeks, I’m solidly in the Luke’s daughter camp. The end scene of the movie loses a lot of importance if we figure out in VIII that she’s Obi Wan granddaughter.  With everything else in that movie somewhat predictable, I can’t imagine they were going to make such a drastic deke on this one.

    #27151

    InThisTown
    Participant

    After a couple weeks, I’m solidly in the Luke’s daughter camp. The end scene of the movie loses a lot of importance if we figure out in VIII that she’s Obi Wan granddaughter. With everything else in that movie somewhat predictable, I can’t imagine they were going to make such a drastic deke on this one.

    It really does undermine that last scene. I mean, it’s still cool but it loses its dramatic impact to a degree. I don’t hate the Obi Wan theory at all, it’s preferable to any others that are out there by a wide margin.

    It is kind of funny though – “you see Rey was hidden away on Jakku just like Obi Wan was in exile on Tattooine!” Or, you mean, she was hidden away on Jakku just like her fucking father was on Tattooine? Which is a much more direct comparison.

    I just can’t ignore JJ saying that the new movies are a Skywalker story. I also think making her Obi’s granddaughter presents some difficult force ghost problems.

    #27161

    Kevin
    Participant

    I’m convinced that nothing sounds dorkier when talking about Star Wars than the term “Force ghost”. :lol:

    I always get the douche hills reading or writing it.

    #27231

    Chief
    Participant

    After a couple weeks, I’m solidly in the Luke’s daughter camp. The end scene of the movie loses a lot of importance if we figure out in VIII that she’s Obi Wan granddaughter. With everything else in that movie somewhat predictable, I can’t imagine they were going to make such a drastic deke on this one.

    Just to play Devil’s Advocate:  the importance could very well just be the re-emergence of Luke (especially for the average moviegoer).  Didnt we all have goosebumps in real tie w/o thinking about whether Rey was Luke’s daughter?  I know I did.

    And the impact of the scene will have worn away in 18 (or 36) months when/if we find out Rey’s bloodlines.  The only ones who will feel “cheated” will be the extreme fanboys.  And anyone who watched Lost knows how much Abrams loves a good swerve.

    #27235

    InThisTown
    Participant

    Abrams had nothing to do with Lost after the pilot and a couple of episodes after that.

    It has nothing to do with feeling cheated — it is about having an emotional rug pulled out from under the viewer, because the implication is clearly — this is his daughter. It retroactively cheapens the moment by saying “guess what it was REALLY this” that you saw.

    #27252

    Feejis
    Participant

    I think you also have to look at this franchise and how it has been handled all along. It’s not a mystery or suspense-related series really.  The Vader-Luke thing was a big reveal but it didn’t really build up to that with people wondering if they were related. It just happened.

    Maybe this group will be different, but I think some folks are conditioned to look at the deeper hidden meaning when in reality, it’s relatively straightforward storytelling.

    #27255

    rrsafety
    Participant

    I didn’t get the “she must his daughter vibe” from the ending. I got the feeling that she is capable of becoming the next great Jedi and that is why she was hidden away – whatever her family story might be.

    That said, Obi’s grand or great grandchild would be cool.

    #27258

    InThisTown
    Participant

    The vibe was the entire movie and the ending. Whether or not she is is a matter of debate. But I’m not sure what movie you watched if you didn’t think that was the implication.

    #27262

    Dan
    Participant

    The vibe was the entire movie and the ending. Whether or not she is is a matter of debate. But I’m not sure what movie you watched if you didn’t think that was the implication.

    Agreed.  If she weren’t Luke’s daughter, then what sense would it make to send Rey to Luke’s location after the map was completed?  The entire Resistance and First Order are desperately looking for him, and Leia sends Rey, Chewie, and R2D2.

    She’s Luke’s daughter.  These movies aren’t narratively complex.  Everyone’s looking for a twist, but that isn’t Star Wars.

    #27263

    Dan
    Participant

    Saw it again today with the boy and enjoyed it more the second time around.  The Han Solo death is shocking even when you know it’s coming.

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